by the ceremonial laws given to the priesthood of israel. i am bound, i believe, to the moral laws. the ten commandments are neither civil laws nor ceremonial. those are moral laws. they were the ones chiselled in stone. so when people -- it's a very common argument. yeah, but what about this law and what about this law. well, granted, that was that law for that point in time, and i'm under no obligation to do that. but when a law says for instance you will always tell the truth, you may not lie, sorry, that doesn't matter how times change. >> here's my confusion about you. because you have been with your wife kay, extremely generous in tackling things like aids. you have given millions to helping fight aids. >> with gay organizations all around the world. >> right. right. so you clearly have no problem with gay people per se. yet you want to prevent them having the same rights to get married as straight people. that leads me to i suppose a more obvious supplementary question. do you personally believe that gay people are born gay? or do the